More Clones are coming!

[mekon]

Wow, this looks like a pretty blatant rip-off. The comparable size and maximum distance make me wonder if they are saving costs in the battery department. LiFePo4 (as used by the OW) have a lower average mAh rating than other chemistries (shorter range), but stand up better over time to recharge and repeated use. They are also more thermally stable. I think FM has focused a lot on quality and owner satisfaction. You could probably replace the cells in a OWv1 with Li-Ion or Li-Po 18650 cells but with the loads involved you'd also probably have to replace them every 6-9 months.

[drew]

This clone has actually been around for awhile. I see it pop up semi regularly on ebay shipping out of china. The only thing that changes is the branding.

[sidebox]

Why is everyone overlooking the fact that this only goes 12mph? Useless. That is mindnumbingly slow.

[SaturnOne]

@sidebox 12mph is not much less than the 13-14 of my 1-year old OW. Agreed, I too would rather have a few mph more instead of less, which is why the OW+ is attractive.
But to be honest, speed is not the essential feature of a device like this. The seesaw motion that is unique to a one wheeled device (as opposed to skateboard, snowboard,...) is way more essential to the "magical" experience.
If you can offer that at a better price (than OW) I'd expect quite a bit of customers going with that, and who will blame them if the overall quality of the JYRO turns out to be decent?
I see an opportunity for JYRO especially with consumers who do not have a boardsport background. That is the wide open field of opportunity for companies (like FM, JYRO). The market of consumers who do not have boardsport experience is way bigger than that of consumers who do have that experience (which is pretty "niche" like in the grand scheme of things).
If FM keeps focusing just on board sport folks, as it is largely doing right now, they may even lose out in the long run. The opportunities here are way beyond the boardsport and even "fun things" arenas. I have told FM, and now I said it here. If need be, I'll talk to JYRO, too.

[Franky]

I look at Onewheel similar to how snowboarding took off. When I was really young snowboarding was fringe but people knew of it and kids aspired to do it. When those kids grew up they started snowboarding and it exploded.

When I'm riding Onewheel, both adults and kids love it and tell me how cool it is. Those adults are too afraid of hurting themselves but it's the kids who will want one asap. Time will tell but as far as I can tell these rip offs are cheap and will break much more easily than ow. Nobody including kids aspire to own junk so unless someone starts beating fm at this game they will be just fine.

[Aaron Broward FL]

I say yeah..... good luck with that

[jim]

More info and video found here : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4096662/Forget-hoverboards-Jyro-revels-self-balancing-electric-rideable-ONE-wheel.html

[ltl]

@jim said in More Clones are coming!:

More info and video found here : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4096662/Forget-hoverboards-Jyro-revels-self-balancing-electric-rideable-ONE-wheel.html

And here is the Chinese original of the 'innovative' ' jyro. (Link Below) I support my usa friends and developers and support the original onewheel.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2016-Bluetooth-Hoverboard-Onewheel-Skateboard-Electric_60540536374.html

[jim]

More clones here too!
I was able to ride ver 1 of the Hoverboard last year. While the learning curve is higher than OW in 15 min of practice I was able to ride comfortably.

GeoBlade electric skateboard is straight out of a sci-fi movie

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[braswell]

@jim I remember this brand. I actually liked their concept/design back in the day. I like that they improved it with the replaceable batteries that go 10 miles each that's pretty crazy especially if it goes 16 mph.

Not liking the newer production design. All those ugly ass neon lights and clear plastic meshed with everything else. These brands need to invest in a proper product designer hehe

[SaturnOne]

@jim Have been keeping an eye on that one, too. They now promise to ship Q1 2017. Interesting to hear you've had a chance to ride it, and thus compare to OW!
From the design of the Hoverboard (e.g. smaller wheel) I inferred it to be more sensitive (downside of higher learning curve). If so, it has the potential to offer an experience that is at least as cool/magic as the OW (once you get the hang of it). Was that in line with your experience?

[faskev]

Aside from looking cheesy the GeoBlade has little ground clearance. I've seen a youtube video out of Germany of a guy comparing this to a onewheel and it looked like this thing kept scraping the ends / edges of the board on the ground because the board was too low to the ground. The removable batteries with 20 mile range at 16 mph is certainly a plus! Competition is good in the sense that OW can't rest on it's laurels and will have to make their boards better beyond the OW+. Yes the OW is built way better / stronger compared to these cheesy plastic units but once these other companies work around the patents OW will have to differentiate itself. They aim to sell this GeoBlade at $1500 but the quality of materials is poor / nowhere close to that of the OW. GeoBlade is toy grade, OW is industrial grade minus the footpad sensors.

[SaturnOne]

@faskev The limited ground clearance would be deal breaker to me.

[jim]

@SaturnOne Here is my description of my experience riding the hoverboard from about a year ago.

https://archive.owforum.co.uk/topic/386/competition-coming/15

"I was able to test ride the $4k hoverboard your are referring to at their shop in Santa Clara, CA a couple of months ago. I thought the same thing as you before riding it. Surprisingly the ride is not as bumpy as I expected and the narrow wheel, once I got use to it balanced and handled very similar to OW. The wheel is solid rubber not plastic and grips pavement very well. Carving on it is not an issue at all. There is defiantly a steeper learning curve then OW but with some extra practice you will be having similar fun as OW. The hole in the middle of the wheel makes carrying the board a breeze. It's the same weight as OW but I picked it up and carried it around with little effort as the board is nicely balanced using the wheel as the handle.
For me the improvements over OW do not justify a purchase for me at this time but the technology in the board seems good."

[SaturnOne]

@jim I'm inferring that the Hoverboard is more sensitive than the OW: less physical motion is required to steer it in any direction. I'd like that but the downside would be that you can't go off-road. Also not sure if you can stand still on the Hoverboard (if not, you'd have to get off while waiting on traffic lights etc) while that's not an issue on the OW.

[timvdp]

@cytoe said in More Clones are coming!:

A side by side demo/comparison between the 2 would be interesting.

I actually bought one of these because I couldn't imagine myself spending the 1700euro's...
I also had an even worse clone from aliexpress badly painted blue with an 11,5 inch tire and crapy firmware & mainboard from the gotway onewheeled scooters(wheel between legs) CCC
both were advertised in the beginning as 500w versions 42v with higher speeds...FALSE

the first 1: threw me off causing a bad injury and was down right dangerous...there is still an updated blue ALUversion on ali for 600$ but still with a weak motor and bad software mainboard etc......trew it in the garage for spareparts
meanwhile my nephew bought the original( I advised: if you have the money...buy original!!;)...

the second 1:when the software for the DANDAN version was ready(month after I bought it).. there seemed a "limitation on the speed"in the APP....and what turned out to be just a 250w motor 36v battery....SCAMED
The DANDAN D1 version (now JYRO)4 to 600 on alibaba or 900 on ebay....died on me after a short uphill climb...the wheel seized(magnets ?out of? allignment)...The rideability was great... but underpowered for a grown up to small to stand on...(but great for kids!?) overlooking the warrenty stuff and being scamed and quality issues etctetc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHCGDARtH6U

I used both for parts to make a portable charger set up, using the battery and plugs![

After all this...
1 original came up for sale in Holland where i live and I imediately bought it, WITH NO REGRETS!!(about buying the real original 1;)..!!
I've been riding all over town and out of town, forrest rides with no fear total trust and pure BLISS:):)...just a world of difference..made for grown ups..by people who know what riders want to do...safety checks years of development!!ETCETCETC:):)
thank you future motion!!
and my bad for trying to cheapskate;) my way into the new boardsport you've created...I was a fool, but now I see the light!(and hope that everyone else who reads this will learn from my mistakes and trust me after trying all...Onewheel is the only choice!!!:):)
KEEP RIDING!:)

[timvdp]

CCC"s will always be crap because they lack the development stages trial and error and feedback from all
the great onewheel riders' adventures
never buy!!
;)

[sonny123]

@timvdp

Thanks for the info.
it's easy to spot the poor quality on these clones.

FM hit the mark by offering quality from the get go.
One look at the OW and you can tell it's built more like a legitimate vehicle than a toy.
Higher voltage than advertised, 30 minute charging and impeccable customer service and you have a winner.

[timvdp]

In the end it's well worth the extra money I think....at first I was doubtfull...but If you compare buying this board at 1500 and getting the freedom you get...almost all year round!...compared to buying or renting wakeboard stuff or buying a snowboard, traveling to a suitable place, only when there is snow/still water etc...then 1500 is nothing...for your own power source...no need for snow or downhills....craving up and downhill through my city center or in forrests without breaking a sweat like on a bumpy skateboard or mountainbike.....

I new it the first time I saw the youtube vids....and after all the money ... all the mistakes.... and faceplants etc

I feel so much "richer" now I have the real board and the option to onewheel:):):)

no doubts: BUYBUYBUYBUY & enjoy your new found freedom ;)

[jim]

@SaturnOne The Hoverboard handles very similar to OW. The main difference is the tire is much narrower so balancing takes a bit more effort but once you get the hang of it it's just a easy to ride as OW. The new version of this board has an inflatable tire and will allow for some off road riding. I live in the Bay area and will see if I can go visit Hoverboard at their HQ again and test ride the new version.

[timvdp]

all hoverboards are crappy sidewalk toys compared to the onewheel...you can see in most youtube vids everybody is struggling to stay on or start or ride in general...there is even a german vid comparing it with a onewheel and during the vid the crappy toy breaks(bad battery wiring)....like most CCC's ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOOVUQXYr8s
cost me 800$ to wise up!..
staright outta the shed/ lab ....to the sidewalk/CCCtoystore ...to the trash;);)

"new model has 10inches ïnFATABle tire trust me friend , so cool riding for yor life! "!;) LOLOL hahaha

differences are way beyond a handle and tire LOLOLOL...trust me people!!don't even consider it!;)

[timvdp]

@faskev said in More Clones are coming!:

Aside from looking cheesy the GeoBlade has little ground clearance. I've seen a youtube video out of Germany of a guy comparing this to a onewheel and it looked like this thing kept scraping the ends / edges of the board on the ground because the board was too low to the ground. The removable batteries with 20 mile range at 16 mph is certainly a plus! Competition is good in the sense that OW can't rest on it's laurels and will have to make their boards better beyond the OW+. Yes the OW is built way better / stronger compared to these cheesy plastic units but once these other companies work around the patents OW will have to differentiate itself. They aim to sell this GeoBlade at $1500 but the quality of materials is poor / nowhere close to that of the OW. GeoBlade is toy grade, OW is industrial grade minus the footpad sensors.

same vid...just saw your post, sorry ;)

even if they come up with a good copy/alternative...mechanicaly...they will always lack the experience, customer based development, infrastructure, reputation/value etcetc blablabla

you guys get it....I am still a bit touchy about this subject LOL
CCC's have there place...but not under your feet going at speed, putting .....all.... health & safety at risk(or in the hands of someone who might even get a bonus or pad on the back for destroying your economy...or my elbow...AUCHH!!
LOLOL;);););););)

have a great week everybody!:)
Wkr,
tim

[faskev]

@timvdp Ya Tim that's the exact video I was talking about, thanks for linking it. Given the language barrier I didn't even realize the GeoBlade type board actually broke down during the test. The host looks a bit useless on either board but his buddy picks up on the one wheel no problem and can't seem to get the cheap GeoBlade heap to do much other than scrape it's circa 1985 skateboard bumpers across the pavement and hardly gets the board leveled off the ground. The OW+ may not be a huge advancement over the V1 but compared to anything else out there it's still built on a quality level unmatched by the others. I'd trust a one wheel to get me to where I need to go, the rest are just toys for circling the parking lot.

[MrCamel]

Thanks @timvdp
Finally an apples and apples comparison of the various boards available. I too went for the OW, glad I did but really wanted to see a review like this before forking out the big bucks.

[timvdp]

@MrCamel said in More Clones are coming!:

Thanks @timvdp
Finally an apples and apples comparison of the various boards available. I too went for the OW, glad I did but really wanted to see a review like this before forking out the big bucks.

Cool:):)
Hope it helps more people make he right choice! ;)

[timvdp]

@faskev said in More Clones are coming!:

@timvdp Ya Tim that's the exact video I was talking about, thanks for linking it. Given the language barrier I didn't even realize the GeoBlade type board actually broke down during the test. The host looks a bit useless on either board but his buddy picks up on the one wheel no problem and can't seem to get the cheap GeoBlade heap to do much other than scrape it's circa 1985 skateboard bumpers across the pavement and hardly gets the board leveled off the ground. The OW+ may not be a huge advancement over the V1 but compared to anything else out there it's still built on a quality level unmatched by the others. I'd trust a one wheel to get me to where I need to go, the rest are just toys for circling the parking lot.

The World is our playground!! ;)....now ;)

I also think that the OW+ caters & would be the better choice for bigger people in general....I'm 1.90 tall and can never keep up with my nephew who's 1,60 tall :(:(