Hoosier Treaded Tire & Rubbing (w/ solution)

[snwbrdwndsrf]

@gwinntanamo my biggest concern about such a high PSI is not how well the board performs but rather how much it will beat up my knees. I presume that with a rounded tire profile the smaller contact area requires higher PSI to match the 'squishiness' (for lack of a better word) of the Vega, but I wouldn't have expected as much as 45 PSI.

[snwbrdwndsrf]

So why is it that both tires claim the same diameter of 11.0"? Is it simply that a wider tire at the same PSI will balloon the center of the tire further than the narrow one?

[desperado]

@gwinntanamo
I'm at about 100 miles now and the flatness of the Vega tire is starting to cramp my style, exactly how you describe. There's this sudden transition between gentle flat carving and crazy on-edge carving because the wheel is a cylinder. The rounded tire sounds like exactly what I need for more maneuverability. Thanks!

[Gwinntanamo]

@snwbrdwndsrf exactly - it balloons a little more.

[Gwinntanamo]

@desperado Yup, exactly why I changed tires - you're going to love it!

[Gwinntanamo]

@snwbrdwndsrf I think you underestimate how much work your knees are doing to accommodate the trampolining of the Vega @ 20 PSI - It's a lot. Ever ski / snowboard? We don't have cushioning or shocks on the slope - your legs absorb a ton of chop & bumps. Riding on a harder tire is similar. I think it's actually better for choppy road than the lower pressure setups. I don't have enough experience off-road with the lower pressure tires to say one is better than the other, but I can imagine benefits of a lower PSI off-road (but my gut still says higher pressure would be better).

[Gwinntanamo]

@wheelcity OK, I tried the OW+ with a Vega slick @ 45 PSI

If you lived at the end of a runway and worked at the other end, it'd probably be a manageable commute. Otherwise, totally unrideable.

[cr4p]

@gwinntanamo: Thanks a lot for sharing this experience!

I am also one, who can´t imagine going back to the vega. I have a Hoosier on my OW original since a long time and I replaced the vega with a hossier on my OW+ after the first 30 miles, because I just hated beeing without it.

So I really appreciate this information about a hossier that can be inflated more to give even a better rounded shape and more range without any need to remove some material.

may I ask you to upload an image, where I can see the distance between the tire and the footpads on both sides with your solution?

thanks a lot!

[goodblake-eskate]

@gwinntanamo After approx 900 miles, it was time to change my Vega to the Hoosier. I now have about 150 miles on the Hoosier and I love it! However, I got the 6.5" version and still haven't been able to get the pressure about 15 psi. What I need to decide is whether I should shave down the tire I have so I can get the pressure up or if I should just go ahead and buy another 5.5" Hoosier. I am starting to get frustrated with the poor range etc.

[lieutenantglorp]

@goodblake-eskate Not really a big deal to sand down the battery module flange. I'm at 19 psi with no rubbing although I prefer 15psi for dirt. Lay a piece of course sandpaper flat on the tire and rotate back and forth until you can air it up more. Sand and repeat :-)

[Gwinntanamo]

@goodblake-eskate Frankly, I'd just order the 5.5" tire. It's a $1,500 machine - spending another $70 to make it amazing is worth it. I don't think you'll be able to sand enough off to get the 6.5" tire above 20 PSI.

[Gwinntanamo]

@cr4p Here are a bunch of pics of various tires & pressures in the OW+ https://imgur.com/a/vWnxh

You'll see close-ups of the clearance of the 5.5" hoosier @ 45 PSI.

[No]

@gwinntanamo excellent comparison, I'll be trying the 5.5 next time I change my tire, thank you.

Edit: also, thanks for saving me from buying the beastwheel rails lol

[cr4p]

@gwinntanamo: also thank you very much for the excellent comparison and the effort you have taken to do so.
this is exactly what I need - thank you!!

[WheelCity]

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[carvewell]

@gwinntanamo my Hoosier is on its way. Thanks for the research! What kind of mileage are you getting on your plus?

[WheelCity]

@ashewheeler
Awesome! We're expecting the full review after you get it working.

[thegreck]

@ashewheeler Looks like you bought the last one!

[desperado]

@thegreck
They said out of stock but I was able to place an order. No indication of when it would ship, but at least I'm in the queue. Can't wait to try it out!

[desperado]

@gwinntanamo
It rained today and I went out on my favorite hard dirt trail with the Vega slick. Might as well have been an ice rink. Any attempt to carve put me in the mud. I don't know how helpful the shallow Hoosier treads will be, but better than nothing. Anyone have any luck with mud and wet grass?

[sonny123]

@rk_d

Yep, best part about it is when you want to ride back to back,
and it's always good to have a backup OW in case one is down.

[carvewell]

Had a little tailgate party y'all! Wow it's a totally different animal. It's pretty much what I imagined but really nuanced so just beginning to get the feal. Tire change was no problimo. I used some woodworking clamps to break the beads and also used the clamps along with some wood scrap "spoons" and was able to ease the first bead up and sideways with the clamps until it just slipped past 180* and was free. The next bead was so easy it just popped up and over with the leverage of the rest of the tire. Really soapy water is the key. The replacement goes on super easy with strong hands and soap. It's different for sure so you miss the edges a little right off the bat. It seems to be about timing your lean with arc of your carve or turn more. The actual board roll instead of ankle roll is really nice when everything is synchronized, but because its so round and narrower it can roll and high side easier in a way if you don't manage it naturally with your lean and heel/toe pressure. I'll have to ride it some more and give a full review but I think I like it! Thanks again @No @Gwinntanamo for all of the pioneering!

[A Former User]

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[desperado]

@thegreck My Hoosier tire arrived today, after 3 days, despite being "out of stock". If only FM shipped so fast!

[A Former User]

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[thegreck]

@rk_d said in Hoosier Treaded Tire & Rubbing (w/ solution):

@ashewheeler Truly EPIC photos! The forum was crashed for a while. You didn't have anything to do with that did you?

WOW phpBB is easier and better than, what is this forum software anyway?

I believe it's this:
https://nodebb.org/product/modern-design

[A Former User]

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[makermarc]

@desperado So how are your second and third Onewheels?

[desperado]

@makermarc
Man, I sold my bitcoins at 4800 like a scared fool, so the 2nd OW will have to wait for Litecoin to surge a little more. Meanwhile, I am loving the Hoosier tire! It is exactly the maneuverability I wanted: I lean and it turns proportionally. Also installed the grip studs #1000 since it is winter here and ice patches might as well be sandpaper. Now I'm just waiting for it to get back below freezing so all this slush freezes solid.

[makermarc]

@desperado You and me both! I did exactly the same thing with my OW, but I think 50 studs is not going to be enough. Found a cheaper deal on 100pk, waiting for those ponds to freeze for real!

[makermarc]

@makermarc

[desperado]

@makermarc
Looks like you are going through the same nasty slush as me...
I think you need 1 stud per tire tread, which is 135 total (5 rings of 27 treads). I have 100 on there now; my middle and edge rings are filled, but the other rings I had to skip a bunch so I ordered more. I'd like to have several studs in contact at all times I would think, at any angle of carving.
I got from gripstuds.com. You found a better deal where?

[makermarc]

@desperado I got the generic Studs
Those gripstuds are definitely the best, I didn't even find them until I ordered my first batch. I was a little concerned initially, but this isn't a high torque application, so I don't need to be able to dig a hole with the studs (which would risk pulling them out). Secondly... those gripstuds are $1/ea, which is just crazy (for doing 135). I have more on the way already, plan to do exactly as you described with the exception of the middle tread. When you pump it up to 20psi or so it starts to rub unless you sink them in real well (and maybe this is the best way?). The alternative is to put them between the treads and leave them sticking up just barely above the tread. I put a couple in this way and I may try more, there just doesn't seem to be room to use the middle tread otherwise.

[desperado]

@makermarc
Ya, dropping $150 including shipping for a little pile of metal bits is crazy, but being carbide, they will last a long time hopefully, especially since I will also be hitting plenty of plain concrete which will grind down regular steel pretty quick. The grip issue for me is typically more of slipping sideways, so I'm happy to have plenty of studs. I am at 20 - 25 psi and have no interference with the middle row of studs, possibly because I have the narrow Hoosier (11.0 X 5.5 X 6).

[makermarc]

@desperado

In theory, mine have carbide inserts as well, but they are cemented in rather than brazed (or so says GripStuds). I was going to baby them and only ride it on ice, but maybe after my initial experiments, I should run them through the ringer and see if the short purchase of the screw or the carbide fails when riding on pavement.

I do have the same tire, but the OP of this thread is running the 5.5 treaded hoosier's up to 45psi with supposedly better results (at least better range i'd imagine, but also better sidewall stiffness). So during the stud install, I pumped the tire up to 40psi, and I started to get interference. I'm not sure I would necessarily ride at this pressure but I'd rather have a little more clearance. I took it back down to ~20psi, and there's plenty of clearance. I'm still going to try to keep that center row as short as possible, so I at least have the ability to pump it up higher.

In the next week or so we should have some frozen ponds and we can start comparing the two executions more closely. I'm sure other ice/winter riders will be interested!

[desperado]

@makermarc
I ordered an extra 150 studs just in case I wanted to go crazy with them, so I really hope the premium price is worth it. Next week it's supposed to freeze, so I'll be trying the Hoosier for the first time on my favorite trail, will get some gopro footage. My life will really be complete when I get my Flight Fins... Did you order a set?

[makermarc]

@desperado

I guess you'll only find out if the price is worth it if my experiment goes poorly and yours goes well haha. Peace of mind certainly has a significant cost in this case. I'm ready to part with my brand new tire if it ends up being a disaster ¯_(ツ)_/¯.

I think i'll be doing some barrel races on the ice with a friend of mine (he's got his own electric powered contraption i'm not allowed to talk about). I'll try to get some footage as well.

I didn't order any flight fins yet, I was just a little taken aback by the fact that it bolts to the stock fender (major fail), and costs probably twice what it does to just print the thing out in a similar material from Sculpteo/Shapeways (takes less time too). If i really feel left out i'll just make something similar, or maybe experiment with magnets or other methods.

My first fender got smashed up during a malfunction. FM replaced it and fixed the board, but I don't really have any intention of using it due to how fragile it is. I guess people are converting it to magnet-mount to help, but there goes the whole flight fins functionality thing.

[Earthpilot]

Hey guys, haven't posted in awhile, been riding. I just replaced my Hoosier 11x6.5x6 the other day with 1990 miles on it. Saw threads and she gave out a couple days later while charging overnight. The reason I'm posting is that I wanted to let everyone know that I ran that tire at 15 psi and never had rubbing issues.
I mounted the same tire the other day and I'm running it at 17 psi and I can hear a very minor rub but that will go away in about another week.

[desperado]

@earthpilot
15 psi would be too low for a lot of people. Have you tried the 11 x 5.5 x 6? It's definitely more maneuverable. How would you say your Hoosier compares to the Vega in terms of carvability?

[Earthpilot]

@desperado I've run the Hoosier 11x6.0x6 slick in a 10 compound I believe? Oh, it was crazy maneuverable but the tire wore out at 528 miles.
The 11x6.5x6 is my "Go To" tire now. It shines around 7 to 10 mph for turns but I still carve turns between 10 to 15, just not as sharp.
I will never go back to the Vega, the Hoosier makes the board into a short board type onewheel if that makes sense. D30A from either Jegs or Smiley's racing online.