Are V2 Concave Pads backwards compatible to the V1?

[r1alvin]

Please address this question Future Motion. Yes or no? Your loyal V1 customers are waiting!

[wr420]

From someone else in another thread.

A guy name Tony posted this on the Facebook group "Onewheel Owners Group"...

"Spoke to a rep at FM. Here's the deal.

if you've purchased your board in the last ~ 10 days they will work with you for a solution. (Ie if your board is brand new, they will accept a return)

for all the owners of version 1 like me, the new pads apparently won't fit on the old board and they don't offer any swap/upgrade option. The rep told me they would work on a longer term solution for us original owners, but it will take a few months for sure. Maybe a software upgrade.

Cheers!"

[CapoDelToro]

That was me. And apparently no..they're not.

[braswell]

I'm gunna predict this is gunna be one of those iPhone "bumper gate" problems and they're gunna have to send out a bunch of pads. I shall call it "PlusPad Gate"

[bdech15]

So if I understand this correctly, as a V1 owner...if your current footpads need to be replaced the only solution is to buy a onewheel plus???

[tony420121]

@wr420 so is it a software issue or a hardware issue regarding the footpad incompatiblty. Also can v1 users buy replacement footpads?

[Polle]

@tony420121 The original replacement footpads are since a while 'out of stock'

If the new are not compatible, they will have to sell the old ones again, no?

[fabuz]

Seems incredible! I will need new V1 footpads set for years to come(1 set/ year at least) !!!!

[carvewell]

The new pads seem like they only attach downwards (with machine screws from the top) near the wheel. The four attachment screws at the four corners are missing which leads me to believe they attach from underneath through the newly designed bumpers. At first I thought it was genius to have V1 and V2 using the same platforms especially if V1 could b upgraded with V2 parts but why stick to this platform if they don't share parts. Don't get me wrong I'm stoked on V2 and can't wait to reinterpret the deck. It's not wide enough or concave enough for me but I love the negative angle😬

[CapoDelToro]

^...V "1.5"...^

[tony420121]

So every upgrade will not be backward compatible with the prior? Does not sound very idea.

[kelp]

how can we replace our v1 pads??

[faskev]

A somewhat official response to the foot pad compatibility and lack of availability for the old pads. They sorta hint at something coming down the pipe:

"Onewheel ...and while Surestance footpads are only compatible with Onewheel+ at this time, we are always working to improve the experience of all our riders and will continue to iterate on footpad design. Don’t sweat it, there is more awesomeness to come!"

[kelp]

@faskev well as great as that is there are people who need replacement pads today. Every day is a day not floating ...

:(

[wr420]

@tony420121 said in Are V2 Concave Pads backwards compatible to the V1?:

@wr420 so is it a software issue or a hardware issue regarding the footpad incompatiblty. Also can v1 users buy replacement footpads?

Not really sure, it could go either way. They may have changed the tech used in the sensor. If that's the case then possibly it would require different code or hardware to deal with different input/output from the new sensors. The original sensor pads were essentially a switch. Maybe the new pad uses piezoelectric tech and can't work with the current setup?? I really have no idea just guessing but what I posted from the another thread sounded like it came from FM.
I have not seen the new sensors, so for all I know they moved the mounting holes 1.5mm and they call that not compatible but my guess would be that they changed the functional design because of issues they were having with the originals like water getting between the switch contacts.

[wr420]

@tony420121 - on the V1 sensor pads yes they can be replaced they are just out of stock at the moment. Not sure yet what they will be replaced with though.

[MichaelW]

They will definitely get V1 pads in again to sell. Don't worry people!

[shaunabe]

I wonder if new bumpers would be required - the + bumpers are more rounded...also has anyone seen overall dimensions? Is it possible the + is wider?

[sidebox]

They're definitely going to restock the v1 pads. For those that are upset that + pads are not v1 compatible, I get it being a little annoyed, but this is one of the incentives they are providing for you to upgrade the +. It's a sound business move. I don't think it is necessarily consumer unfriendly, as long as they restock v1 pads pretty quickly. If I had to guess, they had to move their production over to + pads to ramp up for launch. It would behoove them to quickly ramp back up on v1 pads, otherwise I would say people could rightly be very upset.

[MichaelW]

100% Same dimensions. Overall same board. Just different pads. Bumpers are the same. Frame is the same. As you can see from the pic I posted. @shaunabe

[thehoff]

@MichaelW it just looks like the front of the V2 pads are connected from underneath, maybe a screw through the bumper. So maybe the v2 pads will fit V1 if if v2 bumpers are used as well!?

[MichaelW]

I think the bumpers will be only slightly different. I'm sure you can easily put the pads and bumpers on V1 as the screw holes are in the same spot on the frame near the wheel.

PS: I will know more later today and will get back to this thread.

[MichaelW]

Ok... I got the full scoop. The bumpers are slightly different as they have holes that carry the screws up through the board and into the footpad on one side. The firmware is slightly different but will use the same app.

Drum roll....

The pads WILL be compatible at some point (May involve slight modification may not). You will likely need to buy the bumpers as well (Unless there is someway to drill holes) because the screws will go up through them on the outer sides of the footpad.

The frame is the same.

Its not noticeably quieter then V1. The excelleration also seems about the same.

It is faster by about 4 miles per hour. No difference as far as smoothness goes as far as my buddy could see and feel.

Hope that helps! Good news for all of us really... @thehoff @sidebox @shaunabe @wr420 @kelp @TonyGDTLA @wr420 @r1alvin

[Gosha]

@thehof If what your friend says, this update bites and I should have waited before ordering my second OW.

[kelp]

@MichaelW good news thanks for sharing it! did they have any time frame at all for v1 pad replacements? even to know it would be available before summer would be nice although i'm sure plenty would like to replace before the upcoming semester.

[dakota4ce]

I am holding hope that the additional power of the motor manifests itself as I cart my 230# frame around. I have overcome the motor's ability to balance me a few times in steep terrain at low speed. It just gives up because of my mass. Not often, though. I also will relish the lack of 15mph pushback.

Either way, I bought it! And cannot wait! Until then, V1 makes me very happy even though I am just a -little- bit afraid of it launching me LOLOLOL!

[shaunabe]

More perspective from Mike T.

Including the use of "butterier" in a sentence.

https://www.facebook.com/rivershred/posts/10102061326467343

[CapoDelToro]

@shaunabe won't launch. Could you cut and paste?

[faskev]

I'm beginning to think that they are offering all the freebies with the OW+ right now to get people to buy before they have a chance to compare it directly to the v1. Good marketing strategy and it's still faster with better foot pads so I'm sure it is a good upgrade just not the VW Golf GTI vs. Ferrari difference advertised.

[thegreck]

@CapoDelToro said in Are V2 Concave Pads backwards compatible to the V1?:

@shaunabe won't launch. Could you cut and paste?

It's a video. The link works if you have a Facebook account.

[CapoDelToro]

@thegreck it finally worked. Thank you!

[ltl]

@kelp Looks to me like he placed the existing pads on an additional piece of wood. This will not creatie concave, however it will create an elevated rear end of the pads. Nice idea!

[thegreck]

@ltl Yeah I think you're right, and I agree, that's a pretty ingenious idea.

[floaton]

@kelp

I get the idea that it was a home modification. Just a post I ran across on the Onewheel Owner's Group page on FB.

[carvewell]

It looks like a bow tie. Way overboard on the additional angled packing in my opinion. A for effort though. If you look at the + the elevation change is no more than 3/8" probably more like 1/4". The bow tie has more like a full inch of rise/run.

[shaka wheeler]

Funny idea on the new pads. I see a lot of people re-gripping the current pads because they get kind of slippery. Especially in very rough/bumpy terrain. Do you guys think the new rear pad will be too slippery? I mean only half of it is covered in grip tape. looks kind of slippery, especially if you get any sand on the exposed wood

[jeffmccosker]

@shaka-wheeler yup, which is why I'll re-grip the rear pad on day 1

[timvdp]

@ashewheeler said in Are V2 Concave Pads backwards compatible to the V1?:

Nevermind hadn't looked at the sensor in a while but just cracked one open. It's definitely 2 separate circuits

would this work:
if i use 2 sticks and 2 spacers on the sensor and push the sensor it works....maybe this idea can work instead of resourcing a new sensor and programming etc....i dn't think they will help hack there existing old product to make it like there new version?!;)..

[drew]

@ashewheeler any branding on those sensors? If so we might be able to buy a larger version straight from the manufacturer.

[wr420]

Not sure what we can do with it but... someone brought this stuff up previously. I didn't think it could work but now I realize it is probably something similar to what is in the stock OW sensor. They have just laid the grid on top of it. When you apply pressure it connects the 2 sides of the grid thereby creating a switch. If we can figure out how to create the grid on top of the pressure sensitive conductive sheet we could make our own. Only problem is I have not come up with a way to make the grid. Apparently some guys at at MIT are printing the grid. Anyone have a printer that prints metal? Oh ya they also have pressure sensitive ink for their printers.

I found these pre-made but they are small.
Info on pressure sensors.

[timvdp]

if you find or make a new sensor you will still have a connection/ communication with the OW problem to overcome....?...
you could make 2 little wooden end ramps strips on top...screw strips and ramps down...regrip...et voila...v 2.1 footpads

[Mr.Giggles]

@wr420 With what little reading i did it doesn't look like the grid is important as i look at the stock sensor it has 3 part's or lead's 1 that covers the entire bottom lets use a sheet of foil in place of the grid next is the middle layer which is the pressure-sensitive conductive sheet {Velostat) then you need 2 more sheets or foil to make up the 2 sides of the pad the make into a nice neat package using sticky backed plastic sheet's how hard could it be.

[timvdp]

i was impatiant so I made a frankenstein prototype( I had a spare set ...saving that one!!;);)....and it works :):)...from the sensor area to the outsidecorners...next to wheel is the safe area LOL...also using the original screwplaces...so could be non destructive...lift up 1 side of the tape...insert the 2 ramps...put the tape back...ready to go....:):):)?!?!?!?!?!

I used 2 sepperate ramp pieces...didn't have long enough screws so had to use these things and 2 rubbers...
I kept a part of the original sensor coveringtape because I was worried about the wood spacers direct contact on the shiny sensor...so kept the tape on the sensor and put the spacers on top....and the 2 ramps on top of that so for now it is a bit higher then necessary...the gaps are bigger now but can be held shut without triggering the sensor...

if I step on it..i can keep my toes on the outer corner and still powered...weight to my heel instead of toes..works to stop..next to wheel stops...but the far corners will trigger so..:)..also because of the grip tape I think
step1.

step2

step3.

for now it works...snowy outside ..and still crapy prototype...but...:)...
hope you enjoyed and hope to inspire...

and would really prefer thin sensor sheets haha or something so hope that works for someone...please share :):)

(I only had a livingroom and a dremel&sandpaper to work with so I know...it looks crappy:):).

[Earthpilot]

@MichaelW Thanks for the inside scoop on the V2. From what I read, my V1 works just fine. If you all want a different board, change your tire on the V1. The tire completely makes the board. As far as I'm concerned, I have a V2, just cheaper and a much more responsive than the Vega V1. Check out my tire thread along with No's treaded tire review. I'm on his tire now with a harder compound, Check out my sensor mod, works great, same footpads, made a fender out of a black 5 gallon bucket.

[timvdp]

You can make a ramp insert and place the sensor on top...the angle of the ramp keeps your feet more in place solving all the shifting of the sensor with your feet..sensor complaints...resulting in a "SURE STANCE" feeling

check my frankenpad post for the finished version and instructions